Forensic Pathology: Next Growth Area For Advanced Practice Clinicians?
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Where Have All the Forensic Pathologists Gone?
By Matthew Fleming, Kaiser Health News
Published: August 09, 2012
Television crime dramas may draw big audiences, but they don’t seem to work as a recruiting tool for forensic pathologists.
A draft report by a Justice Department Scientific Working Group for Medicolegal Death Investigation, which is open for comment through Aug. 22, spotlights the nation’s shortage of these highly trained professionals who perform autopsies to determine the cause of death, whether from disease or foul play.
The dwindling numbers have implications for the healthcare system not necessarily explored on CBS’s CSI: Crime Scene Investigation or on re-runs of Quincy.
For instance, according to Dr. Randy Hanzlick, the vice chairman of the scientific working group that prepared the report, areas lacking a board-certified pathologist will be ill-equipped to look for unexpected diseases and other risks to public health.
“If you have lay people filling out the death certificate, they may not be as good as they could be,” said Hanzlick, who is the chief medical examiner in Fulton County, Ga. “[Jurisdictions] may have to hire on a part-time basis, and may not be able to get an autopsy.”
The national autopsy rate is down to a “miserably low” 8.5%, with only 4.3% of disease-caused deaths undergoing autopsy, the report says.
“This is an extreme example, but if someone is driving down the highway and gets killed, without the proper training, someone might miss the fact they’ve been shot,” said Hanzlick. “If we take it for granted, we are not going to find the unexpected case.”
The report identifies a number of causes for the current low rate of autopsy, from limited medical school training programs to low pay.
The shortage of forensic pathologists hampers effective assessment of healthcare quality and detection of medical errors. An autopsy can show whether medical procedures were performed properly.
“A general autopsy itself is a very valuable tool in medicine,” said Dr. Stephen Cina, chairman of the College of American Pathologists Forensic Pathology Committee. “Medical autopsy can assess therapy if someone dies of a disease. What better way to determine skill than with an autopsy?”
Medical autopsies also contribute to medical research and to understanding the progression of diseases. In addition, they can alert families to potential risks, Cina said. “Let’s say someone dies of a car crash, but we notice breast cancer during the autopsy. We can tell the family that they have now have a history of breast cancer in the family.”




Discussion
This is something I could see myself doing someday. Problem is, I don’t want to go to med school to get educated to do it.
~Kim~
You don’t have to. There are PAs hired as medical/forensic examiners in Suffolk County and NYC. I am sure NPs also in large cities across the USA. I like that you have a badge and red light in the car........I’m so hokey.
Dave
Kim: Here’s the book written by the PA who was in charge, yes, in charge of matching all those small and large body pieces to the deceased for all 9-11 victims.
http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Center-ebook/dp/B000JMKTFA
There currently are NURSING programs in forensic science/medicine. I am presently UNAWARE of any such formal training programs in forensic science/medicine specifically geared towards PAs.
Not sure what you are saying. I am talking about physician level residencies. There are PAs in thee focal examiners office in many counties. They must learn as many NPs and PAs do, on the job. It would be nice to see something more formal-maybe it is.
Dave
In response to Dave Mittman’s comment:
Duquesne University in Pennsylvania has a MSN program in Forensic Nursing. They have had this program for a number of years. (Website http://www.duq.edu and go to the dept of nursing, graduate programs)
I am a PA and serve as a medical examiner in my county. I do it part time, but it is possible.
This is one program I had looked into… http://www.forensicscience.ufl.edu/
I work with a PA and a NP that are medical examiners in their small counties in Iowa.